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   <title>?有不可能－記斯巴達２４６公里(中鋼/邱淑容) : 台灣跑者都說萬統難，萬統連續熱三年，都還沒到40度吧？萬統難...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>作者:</strong> <a href="http://www.taipeimarathon.org.tw/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=120" rel="nofollow">民間公證人陳永星</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3717<br /><strong>發表於：</strong> 2007-11-02 at 10:30am<br /><br /><FONT size=4>台灣跑者都說萬統難，萬統連續熱三年，都還沒到40度吧？萬統難，一路都是柏油路面，沒有碎石坡。萬統難，還沒陡坡〈雖有上下坡，嚴格講實不能叫陡坡，也不長〉。感謝分享經驗，令人嚮往。據聞萬統有意辦來回，若夜半無燈，則頭燈可供照明，足資參考。〈如果萬統真的要辦176公里，一定要請四位斯巴達勇士們當顧問，就各方面提供意見〉 </FONT>]]>
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   <title>?有不可能－記斯巴達２４６公里(中鋼/邱淑容) : 跑完不眠不休的24小時賽後，感覺這已是我最大的極限。記得當時...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>作者:</strong> <a href="http://www.taipeimarathon.org.tw/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=52" rel="nofollow">tgchen</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3717<br /><strong>發表於：</strong> 2007-11-01 at 11:21pm<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all; LINE-HEIGHT: 18pt; mso-paginati&#111;n: widow-orphan; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; white: " ="Ms&#111;normal"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">　　跑完不眠不休的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">24</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">小時賽後，感覺這已是我最大的極限。記得當時有人馬上問我是否繼續挑戰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">36</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">小時賽，我非常肯定的搖頭揮手告知「?不可能」。但未及二年，我已踏上斯巴達，挑戰更嚴苛的不可能任務－－</SPAN><?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><ST1:CHMETCNV w:st="&#111;n" TCSC="0" Negative="False" HasSpace="False" UnitName="公里" Sourcue="246" Number="1"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">246</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">公里</SPAN></ST1:CHMETCNV><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">，限時</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">36</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">小時完成。現在每得到一次的成功，就自然會想挑戰下一次的勝利，追求挑戰的習性使我上了癮。</P><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">　　從雅典的衛城出發到斯巴達，</SPAN><ST1:CHMETCNV w:st="&#111;n" TCSC="0" Negative="False" HasSpace="False" UnitName="公里" Sourcue="246" Number="1"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">246</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">公里</SPAN></ST1:CHMETCNV><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">共分設</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">75</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">個檢查點，必須在預定時間內到達每個檢查點，否則即遭淘汰。所以一開始跑得有點緊張，惟恐未戰先卒。直到站站都已比預定時間早一小時以上時，方才放寬心，緩慢配速的前進。在約</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">50</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Ｋ時，因地處海岸線的上坡，四十度的高?，晴空萬里海天一色，此時出現第一批的走路跑者，心想才五分之一就走路，剩下的五分之四該如何渡過？這段上坡我壓過不少「大男人」，當擦肩而過時，看到翹起的大姆指，聽到竊竊的私語，雖然語言不通，猜想他們心底一定暗叫：「堂堂六尺大男人，怎反輸五尺小女人呢？」哈哈！就說身高不是距離嘛！炙熱的艷陽從早上</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">10</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">點伴隨至下午</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">6</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">點，已經快曬成人乾了，好不容易挨到夕陽西下，天色漸暗，?因估算錯誤，無法及時拿到頭燈照明，又剛好跑到前不著村，後不著莊的荒郊野外中，抬頭一望，還好月亮無國度，不嫌棄外來客，默默的陪伴我，原來孤獨的滋味，竟是如此的不堪，一向倍受呵護的我，初嚐被遺忘的感覺。此時如果衝出大野狼，大概只能倒地裝死，以求自保了。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; COLOR: #666666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>　　彎曲的山路裡，靠著微亮的月光，還必須判斷出正確的行進方向，否則稍一不小心，跑錯方向，將是血本無歸。終於在一個補給站，巧遇我隊吳勝銘，真的是他鄉遇故知，格外親切。最重要的是他握有手電筒，我有如汪洋迷失的船，忽見照明的燈塔。感謝他一路護航至</SPAN><ST1:CHMETCNV w:st="&#111;n" TCSC="0" Negative="False" HasSpace="False" UnitName="公里" Sourcue="10" Number="1"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">10</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">公里</SPAN></ST1:CHMETCNV><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">外的補給站，我的頭燈就在那兒等著與我胼頭共進。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; COLOR: #666666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all; LINE-HEIGHT: 18pt; mso-paginati&#111;n: widow-orphan; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; white: " ="Ms&#111;normal"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">　</P><DIV>　　接著到</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">155</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Ｋ又是重頭戲，此役不只比跑步，最大的特色是外加登山越野，短短</SPAN><ST1:CHMETCNV w:st="&#111;n" TCSC="0" Negative="False" HasSpace="False" UnitName="公里" Sourcue="8" Number="1"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">8</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">公里</SPAN></ST1:CHMETCNV><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">，從海拔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">380</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">爬升至</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">1100</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">，穿著跑鞋爬碎石坡，進一步，退二步，實在無計可施，走在前面的「尖頭鰻」，發揮紳士風度，適時伸出援手，拉我數把（女生還是滿吃香的），跌跌撞撞狼狽的爬到山頂，不錯ㄟ，又見補給站，在寒風刺骨的山頭，替你包上保暖的毛毯，獻上一杯熱騰騰的咖啡牛奶，望著滿天的星斗，夠思情畫意了吧，頓時忘了比賽這回事，一回神，已浪費不少時間，本想快馬加鞭，火速下山，無奈又是一路的碎石下坡，為了保護膝蓋，只好作罷。後來得知那位尖頭鰻是德國人，我倆雖然語言不通，?也默默並肩共跑了近</SPAN><ST1:CHMETCNV w:st="&#111;n" TCSC="0" Negative="False" HasSpace="False" UnitName="公里" Sourcue="30" Number="1"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; 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WORD-BREAK: break-all; LINE-HEIGHT: 18pt; mso-paginati&#111;n: widow-orphan; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; white: " ="Ms&#111;normal"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">　</P><DIV>　　最後的</SPAN><ST1:CHMETCNV w:st="&#111;n" TCSC="0" Negative="False" HasSpace="False" UnitName="公里" Sourcue="50" Number="1"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">50</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">公里</SPAN></ST1:CHMETCNV><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">，真的很需要發揮斯巴達的戰士精神。因為體力已告用磬，?又碰上</SPAN><ST1:CHMETCNV w:st="&#111;n" TCSC="0" Negative="False" HasSpace="False" UnitName="公里" Sourcue="25" Number="1"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">25</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">公里</SPAN></ST1:CHMETCNV><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">的連續臭爬坡，再加上已苦戰了一天一夜，雙眠已呈半開狀，太陽妹妹又展現她的４１度魅力，我只能踩著沉重的?步匍匐前進，果然是一步一?印最好的寫照。踩著願景前進，是一件快樂的事，但此刻的我卻是痛苦的。前面的五分之四都能熬過去了，最後的五分之一．我更應該勇敢堅持才對。觀想夾道歡呼的群眾，終點就在眼前的景象，痛苦指數似乎下降不少。再跑一個馬拉松就到家了，ＧＯ！ＧＯ！ＧＯ！</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; COLOR: #666666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all; LINE-HEIGHT: 18pt; mso-paginati&#111;n: widow-orphan; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; white: " ="Ms&#111;normal"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">　　</P><DIV>　　我真的做到了！摩托車騎士已跟在我身旁護駕，真的出現夾道為我拍手道賀的民眾，我終於美夢成真的跑上勝利台階，親吻戰靴，戴上花冠，喝下被賜的甘泉水。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; COLOR: #666666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; WORD-BREAK: break-all; LINE-HEIGHT: 18pt; mso-paginati&#111;n: widow-orphan; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; white: " ="Ms&#111;normal"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">　　</P><DIV>　　『不可能』只是存在於我們的想像之中而已，人的潛力，必須靠逆境來激發。而成功的唯一秘訣就是堅持到最後一分鐘。</DIV><DIV></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: maro&#111;n; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; LETTER-SPACING: 1pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"><BR>點閱</SPAN><SPAN>: <a href="http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/y051086/gallery?cfid=14&amp;post=%E7%99%BC%E8%A1%A8&amp;edit=%E7%B7%A8%E8%BC%AF&amp;delete=%E5%88%AA%E9%99%A4&amp;fids%5B%5D=13" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT size=5><FONT color=#800080><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"><SPAN lang=EN-US>斯巴達</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">246K</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"><SPAN lang=EN-US>新增珍貴照片</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">16</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"><SPAN lang=EN-US>張</DIV></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></U></strong></A></SPAN><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />編輯者 tgchen - 2007-11-01 at 11:23pm</span>]]>
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